EP198 Fertility Rejuvenation + The Power of Mindset with Dr. Zaher Merhi, MD

This post was authored by Rosanne on Rosanne Austin.

Join me as I rap a taste about the cutting edge of fertility rejuvenation with Dr. Zaher Merhi of Rejuvenating Fertility Center. Not only does Dr. Merhi think out of the box on many topics including IVF, he’s a big believer in the power of mindset to help support your fertility success. I think you will love him as much […]

Dr. Mehri wearing white coat and pink tie

The post EP198 Fertility Rejuvenation + The Power of Mindset with Dr. Zaher Merhi, MD appeared first on Rosanne Austin.

Transcript:
Hey Gorgeous, if you want success on your fertility journey, you’ve got to have the mindset for it. It’s time to kick fear, negativity, doubt, shame, jealousy, and the whole clown car of low vibe fertility journey BS to the curb. I’m your host, Roseanne Austin, fertility mindset master, former prosecutor and recovering type A control freak perfectionist.

I use the power of mindset to get pregnant naturally and have my baby boy at 43. Despite years of fertility treatment failure. I help women across the globe beat the odds on their fertility journey. Just like I did get ready for a quick hit of confidence, joy, feminine, badassery, and loads of hell. Yes.

For your fertility journey. It’s time to get fearless, baby, fearlessly fertile. Let’s do this. Welcome to the fearlessly fertile podcast. Episode 198. Fertility, rejuvenation, and the power of mindset with Dr. Zaheer Murhi. Hey loves, I am so excited to be here with you this week because we have another just absolutely fun, informative, kick ass, inspiring, make your heart sing interview this week.

But this week, we have a wonderful reproductive endocrinologist, Dr. Zaheer Murhi, who is on the cutting edge of fertility rejuvenation. In fact, His practice is called Rejuvenating Fertility Center, and Dr. Murray and his team have locations all over New York and Connecticut. Now, here’s what you have to know about Dr.

Murray and, and, you know, look, I love featuring practitioners and as you’ve heard throughout the history of this podcast, I love talking to people that look at the subject of fertility in a way that takes them outside of the box. You know, we all know what it’s like to go into a cold clinic where everyone’s downtrodden.

All you do is get barraged and attacked with statistics. And it’s really easy to feel like a piece of meat just on an assembly line, as opposed to an individual, a woman, with a big heart, with big dreams, and a desire to do something so life changing, like being a mom. And we aren’t always met with open arms in that way.

You know, sometimes people love to smear their fear all over you. But you have to remember. When you lead by heart, you have to build a team around you that shares your vision. Now, they’re going to bring expertise to it, of course, and, and, you know, having a, a very goal oriented, forward focused, dream oriented team.

It’s not about delusion. It’s about problem solving. It’s about innovation. And it’s about being willing to not be confined by statistics and look at the bigger picture. Which is why I love featuring the kinds of practitioners that you’ve heard up to this point, and Dr. Murhe is just a kind soul with a big heart and a huge vision for empowering women in a new way, looking at cutting edge stem cell technology.

ovarian and uterine rejuvenation, all of these different things. And he’s going to get into that. I went to law school, not medical school. So, so Dr. Murr, he’s going to get into all the technical side of that. So you can really understand it and, and really get a sense of whether or not this kind of approach to your fertility could really work for you.

And remember, you know, this kind of conversation is about possibilities. And I really encourage you to listen to this with an open heart because, look, you know, sometimes we get really stuck in our ways and we get stuck in the very narrow and confined, you know, basis upon which we’re given the, you know, statistics about our fertility, which, you know, dude, a lot of those things are from fucking 30 years ago.

So, you want to re look at this, you want to get out of the confinement of conventional wisdom and really look at things like innovation and how can we position women to have babies at a time when, you know, otherwise most people would have given up. So, this is the reason why I love featuring Medical professionals like Dr.

Murphy and others that you’ve heard here because I’m focused on on you getting what you want in this life. You know, part of my work as a coach is to really help you create that vision so you can go get it. Like, that’s just what I do. I help women get what they want. I help women get pregnant. And that’s what Dr.

Murphy does as well. So, This conversation is a really beautiful marriage between medicine and mindset. As you well know, if you’ve been listening to this podcast for any amount of time, you have heard countless medical professionals on here talking about the power of the mind body connection. You know, if you actually want to be a success on your fertility journey, you’ve got to cover your bases, mind and body.

And Dr. Murphy and I are going to be talking about that as well. So, I really hope that this brings a ton of well founded inspiration. Into your heart mamas, because look, 2023 can be your year. So here is my conversation with the delightful and amazing Dr. Zahara Murthy. I’ve been super excited to have this conversation with you because I mean, we have a lot of people in common and one of the things that I hear consistently about you is you think out of the box and you know, I think that that’s something that’s missing.

In when it comes to fertility and the way that women approach fertility is, you know, we get all these crazy ideas that, you know, Hey, you hit a certain point and it’s never going to happen for you, but you and your work are proving otherwise. So why don’t we start off by, you know, sharing with women, listening a little bit about what you do and we’ll start there and we’ll just run wherever this conversation takes us.

Thank you. Sorry. These are my new, I’m, I’m, I’m trying, I’m learning to become high tech. So I got iPad and this, so I’m not, sorry if I’m not. You sound great. It’s awesome. So first of all, my name is Dr. Zahir Marhi. You know, I’m the founder of Rejuvenating Facility Center. Actually, this is our logo. I’m wearing my shirt today.

I don’t know if you can see it. I love it. And our logo is Reproduce, rejuvenate, and relax. Because to me, you know, these are the three R’s that women need to have. Because the brain, which is relaxation, is really related to your reproductive system. And also, how you rejuvenate your body, fighting aging, all is related, right?

But in summary, you know, we started Rejuvenating Fertility Center two years ago. And, you know, we started in Manhattan, and now we have Connecticut office as well. We have two IVF labs and we have three other locations. So total of five locations, one in Long Island, one in Westchester and New Rochelle and one in Brooklyn.

Now I consider ourselves the first non conventional IVF place, right? The reason why is. I genuinely think that it’s time to change the fertility for, or at least IVF if we’re talking about IVF per se, because IVF started 26 years ago. And you know, if you look at the, if you look, even though I started natural IVF without medication, since then the conventional IVF protocols have been the same.

pumping with shots, pumping with shots. But so they haven’t really changed, right? If you close your eyes and go to any, to all, to a lot of centers, I don’t think you would know the difference in the protocols. So, you know, and if you look nationwide, the pregnancy rate in the United States is 50%, why 50 percent of patients don’t get pregnant with IVF, regardless of your age.

Why? Because conventional IVF doesn’t work for that, in my opinion. Now, you know, we stepped back, you know, and I started this eight years ago or at least nine years ago when I used to work at Newhall Fertility Center, I worked there for six years before I started my own thing. You know, we started doing a lot of things outside the box, focusing on individualized treatment.

Patients talk to me and ask me, Oh, what is the protocol that I’m going to get on the consultation? I’m like, I don’t know. We just met. Like, I want to see. I want to see a result honestly, you know, so, because I don’t give to people the same protocol, right? Even the same patient with two different cycles. I don’t give them the same, the same protocol because the body every month is very different.

You saw, so that’s what we, you know, sorry if I’m comparing myself to Whole Foods, but we’re really like the Whole Foods of IVF, right? Because we use, we, we do believe going back and using less is better. You know, if we, we have 10 types of ideas, you don’t, you come to us, we have not just conventional, we have conventional, natural, all that stuff.

So there is a lot we could offer based on what you want, right? If you go to whole food, there is everything from low calorie to no sugar to high sugar, right? So you could choose what you want, right? And also you can make it your own. Look, I always, uh, you know, people love Chipotle, right? Because you make your own thing, right?

You have control over it. And let me tell you a lot of people, a lot of patients, you will be surprised. They actually know more about their fertility treatment and what drugs does to them, you know, compared to the doctors. Like they know if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. If the next result doesn’t work, doesn’t work.

Policy doesn’t work. I know I’ve done this. It doesn’t work, but a lot of time because we’re doctors and I’m not saying anything about any doctor, because I respect all my colleagues and. They’re all my friends and, and, you know, I love all of them, but sometimes as physicians, we tend to ignore what the patients say because we think we know it all, but no patients do know their body.

And I do believe in this. I have patients who tells me before they walk in, before an ultrasound, Dr. Murray, I think I have a cyst and you know what I do on ultrasound, there’s a cyst. They know their body and their ovaries, they know. So I’m not saying everyone doesn’t, but a lot of people do know. So, I really think, you know, Rejuvenating Fertility Center is, is, is here to provide a lot of other things other than jumping to IVF as well.

We do PRP ovarian rejuvenation. We do ozone sauna. It’s not just for fertility. If you want to delay reproductive system, if you’re in menopause and you want to have, uh, try to regulate your menstrual cycle, you want to increase your libido, we’re here for you. It’s not just for just, you know, again, the rejuvenation part is very important.

Yeah, and I love what you’re saying because I think your point is well taken. So, I remember when I was struggling with my fertility, I knew everything, like, even though I went to law school, I probably could have gotten a certificate in reproductive endocrinology because I was so focused on me. And I think that’s a piece that I agree with you that sometimes people forget, for better or worse.

that people forget that we wear this meat suit all day. So we know it quite well. So when a woman comes to you and you know, after she has maybe been trying naturally for a little while and it’s just not working out, You know, what are some of the things that you take into consideration? Because so many of the women listening to this think it’s just age, like, Oh my God, I’m over 35.

It’s over for me. Share a little bit about that. Well, look, the reality is. You know, the clock is sticking not all on everyone, right? Whether you’re five years old, I said, remember, I can’t believe I’m 12 when I was five when I was 12. I can’t believe I was five yesterday. So it’s like time is running, right?

Especially with the pandemic, everything seems faster. So that’s one. So being, I think, cautious about the time is extremely important. And by the way, Rosanna, always tell patients, and I did one of the interview a couple of years ago, Washington Post talking about that. We should start education about fertility or at high school when we teach or middle school where we teach them about sex, safe sex, and condom.

We don’t tell them about reproductive aging and menopause. I generally think we should also tell them, you know, about that. It’s not just only about safe sex, right? Mom has to tell their daughters about what menopause is and what the symptoms are. And if she went through early menopause, she should be careful, you know.

I think there is a lot of education right there in order for us to fight the clock and fight aging and be Preventative of other things right? We use condom to prevent STDs, right? So we freeze x to prevent aging or or freeze So there’s a lot of things we could do as a preventative in the fertility world number one number two I mean, I hate when doctors say oh, it’s your age patients know their age.

Okay They know they’re 40 they know they’re okay if they’re 50 they know they’re 50 Okay. If someone is a little bit, don’t tell them go lose weight. Everyone today, I was actually, I couldn’t lose quarter quarter. I’ve been trying to lose half a pound. Look, I can’t even show, you know, we can’t judge anybody for what they are.

We need to work with what we have. Look, we are an outcome of technology, environment, toxins, chemicals, all those are making us. Get more obese, get more infertile. That’s the reality. That’s the reality. Okay. So we’re here to kind of find solutions in order to help couple, regardless of their age and weight have babies.

Number one, number two, I hate when they say, Oh, I have, I have a patient. For example, right. She said the cutoff for IVF is 42. She saw, she went to that clinic two months before her birthday. Well, you know, the preparation takes a few months. When she turned 42 plus one day, they said, Oh, you don’t qualify for IVF.

I’m not joking. They kicked her out. So it just amazes me that, you know, they put Carol, which I don’t, it’s okay. This is their policy. Sometimes they have people on top of them, telling them what to do. But we’re treating people. We’re not treating just numbers in my opinion, right? Someone could be 42 and their ovaries is like a 25.

And I have people in their 25s and their 20s who are menopausal already with premature ovarian cells. So, that’s one. Two, if we have all these cut offs, if everybody has 42 cut off as age, how are we going to move science forward? If we don’t reach 43s and 44 and 45 and even 50, how am I going to move science forward?

People tell me, oh, what’s your success rate? I’m like, I don’t know, but be careful what you compare. Apple’s still a hundred percent. If I want to choose people in their 20s who have high ovarian reserve, my pregnancy rates will be 100. If I take people who, every comer and I like difficult cases, which I do, my pregnancies will be lower.

Not because I’m a bad doctor, it’s just because the population that people tend to choose can. Having said that, I genuinely believe at RFC, we want to move the science forward and make, and we’ve done it, right? When we started PRP ovarian. When we, when I started PRP overdose rejuvenation and the East Coast for five years ago, people thought I was crazy.

Right? Now, if you Google PRP overdose rejuvenation, even in New York City, there’s maybe 10 places that doesn’t. Right? So it is okay. It is okay. I’m glad other people are also doing it, which means they are convinced it works and now they’re helping other people as well. So that’s what we’re doing. All right.

That’s our goal here. Yeah. And I love that because I think that’s the point is. Why would we be using a cutoff that may have made sense 25 years ago? And if we ever intend to move forward and give women options and give women a chance, I mean, because how dare you want a career and a family, right? Right.

And, and to educate, I think your point is well taken as well to educate earlier about fertility preservation. So people understand the impact. It doesn’t mean that you can’t pursue a career and have a family, but you can be more educated about the ways. That you can be proactive about your fertility. So, and that’s really interesting, I mean, about moving the science forward.

So let’s talk about PRP, because like, I have so many women that come through my programs and they hear about PRP. So why don’t you just share a little bit about like, what is this? So PRP is platelets rich plasma, it’s your own platelets and plasma. We just take it out of your blood by regular blood trough and multiple centrifugations with kits and all that.

And then we concentrate this platelets and plasma and then put them directly. So you can put them in the uterus PRP can be done anywhere. We didn’t discover PRP PRP has been in business for the 25 years or more. It’s used for hair loss. You put it in the skull, it grows hair. Google that it’s used for knees and injuries.

A lot of athletes when they hurt, not just athletes, but. You know, we hear the athletes that the PRP and their needs to help and fasten the healing process of, of their joints. It’s used for facial rejuvenation. It’s used for dent and dentistry. It’s used in a lot of things now. I didn’t, I’m not that smart to think about putting it in the ovaries, full disclosure.

But the Greek, the Greek people, uh, which I have great respect for, are the people who started the PRP in the ovaries. And they said, listen, if it, if you’re putting PRP in the skull and it’s growing hair follicles, it might as well put in the ovaries and grows ovarian follicles. And they were right. So that’s, that’s the concept of PRP.

It’s not, it’s something that’s helps women temporarily for a few months. you know, restore some of the ovarian function and improve quantity slash quality of their eggs in order to take advantage and make and make babies, you know, so that’s, that’s in summary, Yeah, it’s incredible. I mean, I’ve been, I’ve been looking at a lot of the things that are happening in that area and it’s really exciting.

It’s, it’s really inspiring to see how you can begin to rejuvenate and breathe life back into these. Into your ovaries and all in the follicles. So when you’re thinking about a woman who comes to you and says, Hey, I really want to give myself the best possible chances here. You know, when I was looking at your website and when we had spoken before, I was really impressed with how many modalities.

You are looking at like the ozone therapy, like all of these, these things, including PRP. So it would be awesome if you would just share a little bit about like, what are some of the things you consider when a woman comes to you and says, Hey, I want to give this a go. I’m in my forties and it’s on my heart to have a baby.

Like, what are some of the things you consider? So at RFC, you know, we think a little bit, not just you’re an egg. For the uterus, you’re the body, right? It’s all connected with each other. It starts from your brain, the stress, the, because trust me, half of the game is stress as well, right? It becomes, we’re thinking about, you know, the supplement, the diet, the inflammation in the body, the previous history.

That’s why when I do my consultations and I drive my patients crazy, I talk and I ask more questions than I look at the results. Right, because everybody has a different story and everybody. I’m like an investigator. You have to understand where the piece of the puzzle is missing. And this is how you find sometimes the trick.

Now, as far as all the modalities that we give. As I said, we believe inflammation, for example, not we believe there are studies on it. Inflammation is bad for egg quality. Endometriosis is inflammation, it’s bad for egg quality, it lowers implantation. Also, we’re coming with anti inflammatory agents.

There’s a lot of things you can’t give for someone pills or chemicals who wants to have a baby, right? So, we’re trying to see what is the holistic way. That lowers body inflammation because aging is also inflammation. That’s why we get arthritis as we get older. We get glaucoma and all that. So ozone is the most holistic anti inflammatory things.

Ozone is layer, covers the earth. Ozone, when you give it to the body, it also, it lowers body inflammation. And this has been used for decades since world war one. They used to sterilize things with ozone, which is a powerful oxygen. And it’s used for eczema and dermatitis. It’s used directly for Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis.

It’s used in the IV for HIV aids and other inflammatory processes. It’s injected in the joints format and also now we’re putting it vaginally for women to blow ozone and the vaginal stem and the ovaries and also through the skin. It’s a machine that patients sit naked her, the head is out, so you won’t breathe it.

It goes through the skin and also the patient places a disposable tiny hose vaginally that blows ozone. So, it’s half an hour, twice a week for three weeks. People ask me, well, when do I start ozone? The more you do, of course, the better. Not because I want your money, it’s just because we built inflammation over the years.

It didn’t come overnight. If I smoked a cigarette 10 years ago, it built some type of inflammation on my body, right? So we need to reverse all, all the chemicals and inflammatory processes in our body. So inflammation plays an important role. And we’ve actually published two papers, one on endometriosis, one on poor air quality and ozone.

And we’ve shown that it improves both one, two acupuncture, right? Like we do believe back to the stress, right? The environment in our office is an environment that really, you know, it starts from the front desk. It’s all stress free. The music, you have to come to a place where you feel not stressed out, right?

You’ve already lived a lot of stress in life, Rosanne. There is a pandemic and inflation and stock market is crashing and the whole environment is not great. So we need positivity, right? And you need to come to a place where it’s positive from the front desk. Who is the face of the clinic, in my opinion, tell the doctor, and that’s very important.

If you add acupuncture to this, right? And we do offer acupuncture. So everything was related to that. There is a lot of, look, there are, we’ve published papers showing that mice who ate cooked bad quality diet compared to normal diet. They had bad quality, even though they didn’t gain weight. So I can be skinny and eat crappy food.

This is my language. I don’t have bad eggs. Right. And I can be a little bit heavy and I eat healthy food and I can be have better eggs. So what I’m trying to say is the environment plays an important role, right? Hand sanitizers is bad for egg quality and sperm quality. It has chemicals. If you look at inactive ingredients, the triclosan and yeah, if you have a box, show it.

If I don’t know if you have one, I don’t have one. Yeah, no, I, I, I don’t use hand sanitizers for that reason. Like, yeah, I’m like, Yeah. Look at it. So the active ingredient is all alcohol. The inactive ingredient is a lot of chemicals. You will be shocked that no one tells you about that. It’s bad for egg quality.

Look, it’s better for my business when people have more, but I hate it. Okay. Full disclosure. I hate that because look, I mean, it used to be 5 percent of women have infertility now up to 20%. It’s increasing significantly. Even in men, male infertility is increasing. We’re launching it very soon. We’re having a, you know, we’ve been working on the hand sanitizer, which is first fertility friendly sanitizer for both men and women.

We did start the process a year ago, but we were fine tuning things and everything. So, so we’re very excited to do that. So what I’m trying to tell you is the lifestyle at RFC. We target from lifestyle to stress, to inflammation, to everything, the diet and supplements, because all those play an important role in the production.

Yeah. And it’s incredible. And, and I love that you’re pointing that out because they are, they’re people tend to think about fertility is, Hey, I’m just going to go to a doctor. They’re going to give me a pill. They’re going to give me a shot and I don’t have to think about this, but what fertility really is, is a constellation of things.

It’s a puzzle with many different pieces. And, And I love the work that you and Amy do. And I, and I think it’s interesting that people forget the mind peace. And that’s where I play. And because I noticed, I mean, because I work with so many professional women who are, you know, physicians, lawyers, teachers, nurses, engineers, you know, and people have this idea that the mind plays zero role.

Like, Hey, I’m just going to go get fixed and somebody is going to fix me. And it’s like, I learned from personal experience that you can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on treatment, but if your mind is not in the game, it’s a huge piece that’s missing. So what are your thoughts on that? Okay, first of all, people who tell you stress is not a player.

I’m sorry, I’m going to say to them they’re wrong. Okay, for many reasons. Number one, in order for us to know if there’s a stress impact infertility. You need to do a randomized trial. I’m a very, I’m a scientific guy. Okay, I’m an evidence based guy. I’m a professor at the university and I train people. Now, in randomized trial, you need two groups, a group that have stress and group that doesn’t have stress, who are undergoing infertility.

If you find me someone who’s undergoing infertility without stress, let me know. So by definition, we can design such a study, point, right? There’s no control. It’s impossible to design, but we see it. We see that, look, when you, first of all, FSH, everyone knows FSH, FSH, FSH comes from the brain. Go and keep running, running, running, running.

Anorexic women have very low FSH because they have stress on their body and they don’t ovulate on their own. So, you know, if you, if you’re stressed out and going through bad, bad moments, your period becomes irregular from the stress. Now I see it all the time. And I, I remember this patient that I never forget.

She was a lawyer, she’s a lawyer and her husband is a lawyer. They were divorcing, bad divorce. She came to me, hysterical, crying, bad divorce. There’s no good divorce, but you know, so, so, and we want, she wants to do egg freezing because she doesn’t, she wants future we’re doing egg freezing. We’re getting two, three eggs per cycle, right?

Divorce finished. She went on vacation, came back. We got 15 eggs. Her number of follicle is booming. I’m not, I swear to God, if you tell him she was stress free, if you tell me stress doesn’t play. How can someone making two eggs now is making 15 eggs just up with, and by the way, this was six months later on, which as someone gets older, you would think you’d get less, but she finished her divorce.

She was relieved. She was on vacation. So, and I have a lot of patients who take a break and I do tell them go vacation. You go to sunny place and come back. Their ovaries are happy. So it does play a role. FSH comes from the brain. Stress out people. The FSH either goes up or goes to down because the brain.

And the stress is with effect FSH release. So, you know, unfortunately we can never do a randomized trial just because the fact that, you know, everyone has stress who are undergoing. Right. And I think, though, in this scenario, anecdotal evidence is just as persuasive because people are living it. You don’t need a trial to tell you that this is true.

You’re living it. But look, I respect trials, but also trials. We’re human. You might not fit in a trial. Maybe the trial was done in Asian puppet population and you’re not Asian. Maybe it’s done African American. You’re not Asian. Maybe it’s done in European countries. That’s very have different gene. Let’s say Switzerland only.

So you can’t translate a star trial to everyone because we’re human. Number one. Number two in the trials. If A did worse than B. Right? As treatments. Let’s say I’m treating blood pressure with A and B. B is better. It doesn’t mean A did not help anybody. Right. So you can’t just say, Oh, it’s bad. No, it might be better.

Look, blood pressure medication, for example, calcium channel blocker, right, amlodipine works better, if I remember correctly, for African American compared to Caucasian. Other medication, losartan, what is genetic also play an important role. So look, what I’m trying to say is that there is studies are great, but also we need to decipher the genetic component of everybody.

Right. And see, you know, where you fit and things like, for example, endometrial scratch. I do endometrial scratch. sometimes for failed implantation. The biggest syndrome I was trying, a New England Journal of Medicine showed that there’s no difference in outcome. I see it working for a lot of my patients.

Again, they might be in the group that did worse, but it helped someone. What I’m trying to say is that trials are great, but at the same time, they change with time. They do change with time. All the trials in the past showed that hormone replacement therapy, the WHI study, which is the biggest study in the world, 50, 20 years ago, showed.

Women who were taking hormone replacement therapy would have high risk of breast cancer and blah, blah, blah. This study was published in the best journals. Turned out to be one of the worst studies. When they did the KEEP study, which is much better designed from the get go, they found it lowers heart disease.

Baby aspirin. We used to give it to older men to lower heart disease. Now, with the recent studies and trials, show that actually these men are dying faster, more, because they’re having brain hemorrhage and GI bleed. So science changes. Okay. You can’t just change. It’s nice to know what’s going on to counsel patients.

But at the same time, it’s important to say, you know, that you can offer options and try to go back and say, okay, what do what has been used in the past and try to kind of target that person to this category. This is how we do it at RFC. Yeah, and I think that’s such a smart thing overall is to think critically about statistics, you know, and and not be confined by statistics to decide whether or not you could ever be successful.

They’re certainly helpful to understand the information. But you have to remember you’re still an individual, which is essentially what you’re saying is, Hey, we have no clue until we actually get in there and start looking around and seeing you as an individual and really trying to understand what’s going to work for you.

I mean, I think that’s. Such an important message that women need to be listening to as opposed to Hey, if you’re 40, it’s over, right? I mean, it’s like, wait a second. That’s, that’s not true. No, it’s not true. Look, we’ve helped 50 year olds, three of them in the last 12 months, pregnant with their own eggs.

One of them delivered healthy baby to our now ongoing pregnancies. Thank God. If we haven’t dropped, this is a baby. I always tell patients, look, even if your chances are 4%, imagine I. I come, nobody’s allowing me to try. And I know my chances are 4%. So out of a hundred women like me, four would have a baby. I want to do it.

If I was one of those four, I have a baby. It’s not a car. I changed my whole world. So, and by the way, the ASRM, which is the American society for reproductive medicine, they used to say that the pregnancy rate is less than X percent or kind of number five or one, whatever it is. They said it used to be futile.

You shouldn’t do it now. They said, as long as the patient, no, they found out that really it’s patient’s autonomy also plays an important role, but a lot of women are not being allowed to try with their own body. Right. So, so we need to kind of understand also, there is a lot of, for example, if someone hasn’t slept with a man and tried with a man and now she’s 44, it doesn’t mean she has infertility.

Give her a chance. You know what I mean? So I’m just giving you an example. People at 44 get pregnant when they have sex, but this person can’t same sex couple, they’re not exposed to. So what I’m trying to say is that the diagnosis of infertility, you know, sometimes it’s vague and we take everybody just based on their age.

You know, no, that’s not true. A lot of people don’t have infertility. They just were not given the chance to try. Right. I think that’s massive because it’s, I think when we get stuck in the idea. Of it’s just age. It’s just statistics. We lose the humanity and and we forget. I mean, it’s hard to measure the human will and the human heart.

I mean, I had my son at almost 44 naturally after years of being told. Yeah. I mean, like they told me for years, Hey, IVF hasn’t worked by now. It’s not going to work for you. Use a donor egg. And even though donor eggs are amazing, they’re wonderful, a wonderful gift. It’s like, that’s not for everybody. And it’s just, it’s so refreshing Dr.

Murray to hear a practitioner who is in the trenches, like actually say that, that, you know, give women a chance to try. And. And not just treat us like we’re numbers. I think that’s huge. Look, I mean, another, I agree with you 1 billion percent. And look, a lot of my patients are okay with donor X, but they just want to make sure they exhausted all the resources before they do.

You know what I mean? It is okay. Because, look, I want to be given a chance with the most novel technology to try, at least. If I have a baby, great. If not, then I’ll go to Donut Egg. So I think the mentality is, is allowing patients to at least, because, look, if I was a patient, I don’t want to say, I wish I tried this, right?

I just want to try it and say, okay, I did this multiple times, blah, blah, blah. I want to move on to the next. So I think that’s what bothers a lot of women. They’re not given the chance to try with their own eggs. And they tell them, Oh, your egg quality is bad. Just by looking at the image. I’m like, how do you know, you can only know the quality of the egg.

After you do egg retrieval and look under the microscope, there is no test for egg quality. There’s no test for egg quantity. It drives me crazy when they tell patients you have bad egg quality just because they have low air. So, you know, it’s, it’s important to kind of, you know, give the chance, give the patient the autonomy to understand that this is what we have.

It works. It might or might not work for you. And then let them decide. Right. And that’s what, I mean, that’s why I focus on the work that I do, because I think that a lot of women have abdicated their power and, and haven’t taken a minute to say, wait a second, let me check my thought process on this. Let me see.

Am I thinking like a woman who succeeds on this journey? Because so many different pieces come together to create that success. And if you’re thinking like, okay, I don’t have a chance. You’re not going to do the things. That can help you get there. If you’re already telling yourself, you’re a failure, you’re not going to do the ozone.

You’re not going to go do PRP. You’re not going to do all of the things so that you cover your bases. I always tell women, look, what donor eggs are an amazing gift, but if it’s on your heart to truly check the boxes and make sure you’re doing everything to support your success, you can’t exclude your mind.

You’re 000 percent right, because first of all, if you can ask my patients, when they come like this, I’m like, why are you cranky? Are you coming to have a baby or why? Either go somewhere else or you need to smile. And then it’s important to 1. Believe that you can do it. 2. Believe that your doctor can do it.

3. Believe the clinic can do it. Because look, those three don’t go somewhere else. And I tell my patients, if you don’t think I can get you pregnant, go somewhere else, I don’t need your money because it’s the positivity and working together as, as a team with positivity is very important. I was having consultation with a couple of guests there from Florida.

The man was like this. I said, hi, how are you? Do you mind smiling a little bit? So he started like loosening up. And at the end of the consultation, it’s, it’s important. It’s important. You know, we’re. People have have sex in nightclubs having fun and they get pregnant. We should have, we should do the same thing.

We shouldn’t be stressful, even though it’s infertility. That’s what we do at RFC. We want to make it a journey also smooth. Fun at the same time. We’re very serious about our job. You know what I mean? So so but you’re right. The mentality has to change. Yeah, it’s and it’s so I mean, I love your approach and I love that.

It’s holistic. We’re looking at the whole person, not just a ovaries or sperm or eggs. It’s it really is about the whole person. And I think in the end, Why your work is so powerful is it is about empowerment. It’s about allowing people to try. using their own bodies. If additional modalities are needed, that’s great.

It’s about bringing it all together. And I think it’s really changing the conversation. And I’m just delighted with what you do, Dr. Murray. And I’m like, look, but addition, the good things about us at RFC in me, I think we listen to our and we want to learn from our patients just to let you know. I heard about the ozone from one of my patients six years ago.

I never knew what ozone therapy is. Seriously. I heard from my patient first about the PRP. They came to me. I want to do PRP. I’m like, what the hell is this bullshit? Go to Greece. I didn’t believe in it because there was no studies. I learned from my patients, and I tell always my patients, if there’s anything you, you know, they send me studies, I’m happy to try it and incorporate it as long as there is no harm to you and to anybody.

And it’s been done before on humans. I’m willing to try it because this is how we move science forward is by learning from each other. Well, and I think it’s, I think it’s that openness that when you have a physician that’s open and a patient that’s open, it’s a wonderful team because, you know, and I always, when I’m coaching women, I’m like, look, your physician is not the enemy, you know, you have to work together.

You have to come together as a team. Because an effective team is fun and you know, you got to remember you’re trying to have a baby. This is not getting a tooth pulled, right? You, you got to go into it with an open mind and an open heart. And I just, I love what you’re doing, Dr. Murhey. So I’m so appreciative for all the, all the good work that you’re doing.

So, So what’s next for RFC? What are, what’s exciting and new that you guys are doing? I have a suspicion it’s in the Caribbean. Look, we’re always craving new things. Okay. I wake up thinking about new things. Okay. So the next, the next thing is the stem cell ovarian rejuvenation. So we’re starting in the Bahamas in January of 2023 fat stem cell ovarian rejuvenation.

Fat is also called adipose stem cells. So, you know, I have a lot of it. Stem cells is the treatment for everything. It’s used now to treat heart disease, type 1 diabetes, nerve injuries, all that stuff, because the stem cells, they, and we have, we have a lot of it all over our body, believe it or not, the bone marrow and the fat, but those stem cells are neutral.

Neutral version cells that have no function, never have any job. And then you put them in an ovary and activate them. They can become a new egg. They become, they get a job based on when you put them. So if I take stem cells from my fat and put it in my scalp and activate, it becomes a hair follicle. If I take stem cell from my fat and put it in my liver and activate, it becomes a liver cell.

That’s the beauty about stem cells. It’s not FDA approved. That’s why I’m doing it in the Caribbean and the Bahamas. Studies. I have an incredible showing that, you know, even postmenopausal women had a new eggs and start to ovulate on their own up to one year. Yep. Up to one year. So I am super excited. So this is very exciting to me.

Right? So one is. You know, I’m not saying everyone has to jump to the Bahamas and do that. There are a lot of options. A lot of my patients whose PRP didn’t work for them, and I always tell patients that PRP might not work for you 50 percent of the time. We’re moving to, you know, the adipose or fat stem cell ovarian rejuvenation.

It’s a simple thing. It’s not invasive. It’s like PRP, but we do mini liposuction. So you make sure if you’re too skinny, please eat. We need some of your fat. Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. I love it. And then because patients joke with me, it’s like, I have no fun. Like you go eat cookies, but you know, and then so that I’m very, very excited about this.

I’m going to travel to the Bahamas one weekend per month, do procedures and come back. So there is not a lot of spots, unfortunately, and believe it or not, we’re almost booked for 2023, the whole year. That doesn’t surprise me at all. I mean, because it just, I wish, right. I think if I have more time there, probably we’ll do more.

It’s just because, you know, I’m just one person. Yeah. I mean, Dr. Murray, this is so freaking exciting. Because it’s changing the game, right? It’s really changing the game and it’s such a, I mean, as like a mind body nut like I am. It’s just, it blows me away how we have this innate ability to heal even within ourselves.

I mean, it’s so exciting to hear that you’re doing that work and God bless you. I mean, I think it’s going to be fantastic and I can’t imagine like just I think it’s going to be an incredible gift to so many women. So I love that. I really do hope so. I really, really hope so. There’s a lot of, you know, great people, great patients who really, I know they will be great mothers.

I really do. And God knows how much I want to help them. We want to help them at RFC. I mean. Hopefully, we’ll, we’ll always do things. We’re always new, new things after this 2024, or by end 2023, we’re doing the mitochondria replacement therapy, hopefully, which is egg rejuvenation and getting mitochondria from donor eggs and keep your own DNA and the egg.

So there’s a lot of things we’re doing, we’re working on with the pandemic, with the Caribbeans are a little bit slower, slower pace than Manhattan . Imagine that. Yeah, and, and I’m too hyper for people I think. And the opposite, which is great. I need someone to slow me down, but that’s why it takes a little bit longer in the Bahamas than, than, than here.

But also I, I just wish the FDA take more seriously the female reproductive system and women’s reproduction. Right. I don’t feel like they take it as a priority. There’s a lot of things we’re behind in this country and it actually makes me sad, but hopefully things will change soon. Yes. Well, very soon.

Well, Dr. Murthy, it has been such a pleasure to have you on. I, I just fell in love with you the minute we, we talked the first time and so I fell in love with you and you sent me this. Thank you so much. I love it. Look at this. Yeah, that’s right. I mean, I think it’s fantastic. I think it’s a beautiful, you did it in your kitchen.

It’s just amazing. And I have to tell you, I mean, yeah. I don’t want to mention patient’s name for HIPAA, even though I don’t think she cares because she introduced me to you and I saw you, the stuff that you give, the stuff like, it’s just really, you empower women in many, many ways. And I was very, I even tweeted, I mean, not tweeted, um, I posted, posted, posted, yeah, on Instagram.

Everyone’s talking about tweets now, that’s why I said tweeted, but that’s why I posted on my Instagram things from, from you. So, so. It’s just really the words that you put there, it really affects the brain. It actually gave me goosebumps when I, when I saw it from, from my patients. So keep up the work.

It’s really nice. Uh, I felt, I fell in love with you before I even met you, honestly. I appreciate that. We’re a good team. So, well, thank you so much, Dr. Murthy. I think the women listening to this are going to absolutely love it. And I hope they absolutely check out RFC. We’re going to put all the links. To your website and your social in this and, and get women out there rejuvenating their ovaries and giving themselves a chance that they deserve.

So thank you for that. I hope so. Thank you for having me very much laugh. I hope that you absolutely love Dr. Mur as much as I do, and I really hope that this interview has. Rejuvenated your own belief in yourself and the belief in possibilities for you on this journey, regardless of how many times you’ve quote unquote failed or shit hasn’t worked out for you on this journey.

Like please, you have got to change the way that you think about yourself, your journey and your prospects, because this is about, as I said earlier, it’s about finding the pieces to the puzzle. You can’t just wholesale buy in to a statistic, that statistic probably did not include you, they didn’t interview you, they weren’t, they didn’t include you in that fucking trial or that study, okay?

There is, hey, you know what, I’m a firm believer because I’ve helped women from ages 28 to 52 finally get and stay pregnant. If there’s a will, there’s a way. You just have to be willing to be the woman who becomes the success before she’s actually successful. You gotta get fearless, okay? This is why I teach what I teach.

So I really do hope that you check out Dr. Murheem. We are including all of his clinics. Links and all of their contact information in the show notes here. There’s tons of exciting shit you can do for your body, mama. Alright? But here’s the deal. What you do with your body isn’t gonna mean shit if you don’t have your mindset on board.

Just like Dr. Murray and I talked about. So if it’s time that you got out of your fear, doubt, negativity, small stories, lack and scarcity, all the shit that is going to convince you that it is not possible for you to have a baby, My Fearlessly Fertile Method program is for women who intend to get pregnant in the next 12 months and say hell yes to covering their bases, mind, and body, so you don’t have to look back on this time in your life with regret.

I work with women who are committed to success, like so many that you have heard this year. To apply for your interview for this program, go to my website, www.FromMaybeToBaby.com and apply for an interview there. My methodology has helped women around the world make their mom dreams come true. Their results speak for themselves.

If you don’t have a mindset for success on this journey, babe, you got a gaping hole in your strategy. Let’s fix that shit and set you up for success. Till next time, change your mindset, change your results. Love this episode of the Fearlessly Fertile podcast? Subscribe now and leave an awesome review.

Remember, the desire in your heart to be a mom is there because it was meant for you. When it comes to your dreams, keep saying, hell yes.

Rosanne offers a variety of programs to help you on your fertility journey — from Self-study, to Live, to Private Coaching.